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It is my stance on yours and @Brooks viewpoints on the technologies you work on. I do not see a conflict between them, both are based on trusting the ledger at different scales, one at the scale of personal relationships and the other at a "mob scale". You argue that global ledgers like Bitcoin and Ethereum do not rely on trusting a "mob", I argue that they do. The Nakamoto consensus, even it people want to view it as trustless, is just a mechanism for popular vote, analogous to popular vote in a representative democracy. The trustless parts is the digital signatures and hash-linking (and Holochain has that too), the social consensus itself (Craig Wright's invention) is exact same as trusting another person in Holochain, just at a bigger scale.