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BAD-ELF: i dnt rely on wat ppl say 
atheist4life: yeah you do
BAD-ELF: i look for these things by my self
atheist4life: no u dont. you are impressed by 'iron sent down'
BAD-ELF: yes I am
atheist4life: you cant have checked that
atheist4life: where did you check?
atheist4life: what steps did u take?
BAD-ELF: discovery channel 
atheist4life: and what did they say?
BAD-ELF: its better to watch the video by urself
atheist4life: no it isnt
atheist4life: because i already know the only thing they possibly could have said
BAD-ELF: wat they said 
atheist4life: meteorites and other rocks that fall to earth often contain iron
BAD-ELF: yes exactlly
atheist4life: a mundane piece of information known to lots of ancient civilizations
atheist4life: all you have to do is look at a meteorite. no high tech needed. no scientific miracle
BAD-ELF: so muhammed was wrong abt sending down the iron ?
atheist4life: read what i said. Its clear.  i said its a mundane piece of information that was already known
BAD-ELF: show it
atheist4life: fine
atheist4life: The most ancient name for iron was 'Metal of Heaven.' In the hieroglyphic language of the ancient Egyptians it was pronounced ba-en-pet, meaning either stone or metal of Heaven. A basic Egyptian idea, expressed in ancient religious texts, was that the fermament of Heaven was of iron. This belief probably arose from iron's blue color and from the occasional fall of meteoric iron from the sky.
atheist4life: http://www.ironfromthesky.com/about-logo.htm
BAD-ELF: u know wat ill do ?
atheist4life: cry?
BAD-ELF: ill comfirm this from a specialist
BAD-ELF: pray thats  not a fraud
atheist4life: poor excuse
atheist4life: cant you just think about it
atheist4life: isnt it obvious
atheist4life: do you think nobody had ever seen a meteorite before
BAD-ELF: u know ancient egyptian language ?
atheist4life: whats so amazing about it
atheist4life: its not just the egyptians. its everybody
atheist4life: i think maybe even hamza tzortzis talks about this
atheist4life: "However, the Ancient Egyptians 1400 years before the Prophet-hood of Muhammad (upon whom be peace) referred to iron as ba-en-pet meaning “Iron from heaven.”[19] The Assyrians and Babylonians also had similar concepts for iron." - hamza tzortzis
BAD-ELF: come on those meteors were be the creation of humans !!!
BAD-ELF: how u think we have iron in our core ?
atheist4life: what are you talking about
atheist4life: you think meteorites dont happen all the time?
atheist4life: they have been happening throughout the entire history of the planet
BAD-ELF: not really
atheist4life: some times people witness them
atheist4life: yes really
BAD-ELF: not true
atheist4life: its just a rock
atheist4life: whats so special about that
BAD-ELF: why we dont get meteors now ?
atheist4life: we do
BAD-ELF: big ones with iron ?
BAD-ELF: which penetrate the core of earth ?
atheist4life: i dont know how big they are, but of course plenty of them contain iron
atheist4life: they dont need to penetrate the core of the earth
atheist4life: iron in the core of the earth did not get their by meteors penetrating the earth
atheist4life: it aggregated to form the planet in the first place
BAD-ELF: iron only can be produced in stars !!!
BAD-ELF: earth cant produce iron !!!
atheist4life: yes and the same is true for almost every other element too
atheist4life: so how come the quran only knows about the single one that was already know to be in meteors?
atheist4life: you dont think that is suspicious?
BAD-ELF: yea but we r talking abt iron
atheist4life: yes we are talking about the one the egyptians knew about
atheist4life: the one humans already knew about
atheist4life: the one the quran talks about
BAD-ELF: i doubt the egyptians knew that meteors contain iron
atheist4life: why
BAD-ELF: thats a suspicious info
atheist4life: why
atheist4life: any idiot can look at a meteor
atheist4life: and determine that it contains iron
atheist4life: whats difficult about that
atheist4life: you think there were no meteors in thousands of years of egyptian civilization?
atheist4life: i saw a meteor shower last year
BAD-ELF: told u the earth got the iron b4 humans !!
atheist4life: so what
atheist4life: iron aggregated together and formed the planet in the first place. The earth has an iron core that is still hot
BAD-ELF: only stars can produce the iron
atheist4life: i havent denied that.  you are confused.  I agreed with that, and i added that the same is true for amost all other elements
BAD-ELF: earth cant produce the iron !!
atheist4life: I KNOW THAT
atheist4life: I AGREE
BAD-ELF: earth doesnt have a reactor !!!
atheist4life: so what
BAD-ELF: so where earth got the iron from !!!
atheist4life: from the remnants of old stars
atheist4life: the same place it got everthing else from
BAD-ELF: from ?
BAD-ELF: exactlly !!!
atheist4life: so there is nothing special about iron
BAD-ELF: the iron was sent down right ?
atheist4life: nothing was sent down
BAD-ELF: come on !!
atheist4life: do you wanna hear a scientist talking about it
BAD-ELF: yes
atheist4life: he is asked if he thinks it is accurate., he says "not really"
atheist4life: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofZLob1kMGM
atheist4life: from about 7:00
BAD-ELF: n abt the link u gave me about the egyptians 
BAD-ELF: open it
BAD-ELF: n scroll down
BAD-ELF: u read abt hebrew in that drawing ?  Cuniform & Hebrew for parzillu, or "Metal of Heaven"
BAD-ELF: theres only one word in hebrew
atheist4life: what are you talking about
BAD-ELF: it must be 2 words 
BAD-ELF: theres only one hebrew word
atheist4life: i though you could speak arabic
BAD-ELF: shut up
atheist4life: the same happens in arabic
BAD-ELF: i do
atheist4life: you dont need same number of words in two different languages
BAD-ELF: where is it !!!
atheist4life: and idiot knows that
BAD-ELF: we do !!!!
BAD-ELF: שָׁמַיִם
BAD-ELF: that s the word for heaven in hebrew
BAD-ELF: where is it in that drawing
BAD-ELF: wheres the word shamim ?
atheist4life: it doesnt matter anyway
atheist4life: what steps are you going to to take to verify this information?
BAD-ELF: it does
atheist4life: no it doesnt because you dont have to trust that website
BAD-ELF: ill comfirm that
atheist4life: how
BAD-ELF: ill contact a musuem in egypt
atheist4life: dont confirm it by going to muslimnonsense.com
BAD-ELF: no i dnt do that
BAD-ELF: i verify from authentic sources
BAD-ELF: wat if i prove that ur site is a fraud ?
atheist4life: i never used that site to arrive at my conclusion
atheist4life: i never seen it before today
BAD-ELF: yes but i dnt trust such sites. i have to verify
atheist4life: and then what?
atheist4life: when you find out that it is a mundane piece of information. Then what?
BAD-ELF: then , we will have another topic
atheist4life: and you wont tell anybody it is a scientific miracle again?
BAD-ELF: wat if that site is a fraud ?
atheist4life: i told you
atheist4life: that site doesnt matter
atheist4life: there is plenty of good evidence
atheist4life: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/objects/meteors/3304111.html?page=2
atheist4life: The Hittites and Sumerians acknowledged this connection by calling iron "fire from heaven." The Egyptian word for it means "thunderbolt of heaven," and the Assyrian term was "metal of heaven."
BAD-ELF: heyyyyy thats a historical info
BAD-ELF: it got nothing to do with astronomy !!
atheist4life:fine.  http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-ancient-egyptians-had-iron-because-they-harvested-fallen-meteors-86153874/
atheist4life: "To the ancient Egyptians, iron was known as the “metal of heaven,” says the University College London. “
atheist4life: University College London
atheist4life: any more excuses?
BAD-ELF: tho it doesnt say metal from heaven 
atheist4life: yes it does
BAD-ELF: where
atheist4life: "To the ancient Egyptians, iron was known as the “metal of heaven,” 
atheist4life: first line
BAD-ELF: it say 'of' not 'from'
BAD-ELF: big difference
atheist4life: lol
atheist4life: pathetic
BAD-ELF: nah 
BAD-ELF: u failed
atheist4life: whatever
atheist4life: "For thousands of years before they learned to smelt iron ore, Egyptians were crafting beads and trinkets from it, harvesting the metal from fallen meteorites."
atheist4life: HARVESTING THE METAL FROM FALLEN METORITES
BAD-ELF: wats ur source
atheist4life: the same one. next line
BAD-ELF: ok 
BAD-ELF: come on somthing fishy there
atheist4life: you havent even given a single reason to doubt that its obviously true
BAD-ELF: u can imagine the number of meteors which were falling in egypt ?
atheist4life: yes plenty
BAD-ELF: n there was no distruction ? come on
atheist4life: you see the ridiculous position you have to defend to be a muslim
atheist4life: thats why i could never do it
BAD-ELF: u know wats the damage which would be done by plenty fallen meteors ? come onnnnnnnnnnnnnn
atheist4life: so what are you going to do to verify this then?
atheist4life: show us your research skills
atheist4life:University College London and the official journal of the Smithsonian institute are not good enough for you
atheist4life: what will you do instead?
BAD-ELF: ill verify abt the wording of that hyrogliphic peice
atheist4life: why
BAD-ELF: u trust the universities of theology ?
atheist4life: its not theology
atheist4life: its history
BAD-ELF: history must be verified tho
BAD-ELF: we both dont know hydrogliphic 
atheist4life: we dont need to
atheist4life: we can both read what the experts say
atheist4life: they agree with me
atheist4life: you simply cannot handle
BAD-ELF: nah , theres somthing fishy
atheist4life:  im interested in what you are going to do to verify it that is better than what I have already given you
BAD-ELF: u know abt the fraud of darwinians ?
atheist4life: lol
BAD-ELF: yes or no
atheist4life: u havent answered my question
atheist4life: why should i answer yours
BAD-ELF: u know abt that fraud ?
atheist4life: what method do YOU have that is better than academic peer review?
BAD-ELF: my own way
BAD-ELF: MY OWN WAY
BAD-ELF: DAMN IT
atheist4life: you know you have failed
BAD-ELF: NO I HAVNT
atheist4life: you know that a meteor is a mundane thing
atheist4life: and you know that any idiot can identify iron if he sees it
BAD-ELF: LOOOOOOL 
BAD-ELF: THE SITE U GAVE ME LED ME TO THE FIRST SITE
atheist4life: and the world's experts have confirmed it to you
atheist4life: and you still dont accept it
atheist4life: that is called being a muslim
atheist4life: evidence is haram
BAD-ELF: THE SITE U GAVE ME LED ME TO THE FIRST SITE
BAD-ELF: THE SITE U GAVE ME ISNT ABT LONDON UNIVERSITY
BAD-ELF: DAMN U
atheist4life: yes it is
atheist4life: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-ancient-egyptians-had-iron-because-they-harvested-fallen-meteors-86153874/
BAD-ELF: BULLSHIT 
BAD-ELF: CLICK ON THE BLUE LINE
BAD-ELF: CLICK ON IT
atheist4life: all you have to do is fucking read it
atheist4life: "To the ancient Egyptians, iron was known as the “metal of heaven,” says the University College London. 
atheist4life: the first fucking line
BAD-ELF: CLICK ON IT
atheist4life: i just pasted it .  obviouisly i have it open already
BAD-ELF: NAH CLICK ON IT 
BAD-ELF: IT WILL DIRECT U TO THIS SITE >>>_http://www.ironfromthesky.com/about-logo.htm
atheist4life: we are talking about a different fucking site now
atheist4life: forget that one
BAD-ELF: ITS NOT ABT UNIVERSITY OF LONDON
atheist4life: you dont like the first site
atheist4life: forget it
atheist4life: we moved on
atheist4life: you're living in the past
BAD-ELF: NAH I LIVE THE REALITY
atheist4life: you said you dont like it, so i found you a better one
atheist4life: the smithsonian
BAD-ELF: THEY R SAME 
atheist4life: no they arent
atheist4life: you are lying again
BAD-ELF: U R LYINGGGGGG
BAD-ELF: CLICK ON THE BLUE LINE !!!
atheist4life: is this http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-ancient-egyptians-had-iron-because-they-harvested-fallen-meteors-86153874/ the fucking same as this? http://www.ironfromthesky.com/about-logo.htm?
atheist4life: are they the same fucking thing?
BAD-ELF: YES I THINK SO
atheist4life: or is one of them ironfromthesky.com; and the other one is smithsonianmag.com
BAD-ELF: THAT SMITH SITE DIRECT U TO IRONFROM SKY SITE
BAD-ELF: ITS NOT ABT LONDON UNIVERSITY
BAD-ELF: DAM
BAD-ELF: THEY R CONNECTED SITES 
atheist4life: no they aren't you fucking spastic
BAD-ELF: THERES SOMTHING FISHY
BAD-ELF: U KIDDING MEEEEEEEEEEEE
BAD-ELF: USE UR FUKING BRAIN 
atheist4life: im giving you the best evidence possible
BAD-ELF: THEY R NOT EVIDENCES
BAD-ELF: TOLD U ITS NOT ABT LONDON UNIVERSITY !!!
atheist4life: yes it is
atheist4life: i fucking pasted it
atheist4life: i SHOWED you it is
BAD-ELF: SHOW THE INFO FROM LONDON UNIVERSITY I DARE U
atheist4life: here you go spastic http://www.digitalegypt.ucl.ac.uk/metal/metalinegypt.html
atheist4life: "Iron was a metal of mythical character. It was called the 'metal of heaven', because Egyptians knew it mainly from meteoric iron."
atheist4life: next excuse?
BAD-ELF: WAIT !!
BAD-ELF: LET ME CHECK
BAD-ELF: NOW U HAVE TO EXPLAIN , AS LONG AS U DEFENDING THE FUKING EGYPTIANS
atheist4life: defending egyptians? what? i simply said they knew that meterrites contained iron
atheist4life: beause they could simply fucking look, and find out
BAD-ELF: HOW U EXPLAIN THAT THESE METEORS DIDNT DESTROY EGYPT 
atheist4life: meteors are common
atheist4life: so now that i gave you exactly what u asked for, straight from UCL website, that you dared me to provide, now what?
atheist4life: still not gonna consider the possibility that you are wrong
atheist4life: too proud? too muslim?
BAD-ELF: OF COURSE !!
BAD-ELF: U DIDNT ANSWER ME
atheist4life: too proud to admit you are wrong
atheist4life: thats a shame
atheist4life: i gave you exactlly what you asked for
BAD-ELF: HOW U EXPLAIN THAT THESE METEORS DIDNT DESTROY EGYPT 
atheist4life: you are not being honest
BAD-ELF: NOW IT HISTORY VS PHSICS
BAD-ELF: HOW U EXPLAIN THAT THESE METEORS DIDNT DESTROY EGYPT 
BAD-ELF: USE UR BRAIN NOW
atheist4life: the same way the meteor shower i saw last year didnt destroy my town, or anybody else's town
atheist4life: they happen all the time
BAD-ELF: A PHSYCISTS WOULD LAUGHT AT THAT INFO U GAVE 
atheist4life: why dont you go ask one
atheist4life: and film his reaction